Would they have toenail removed without pain relief?

No pain relief for unborn babies whose lives are being brutally snuffed out. That's the decision of the Dáil. Only 12 righteous people voted for.
Kate O'Connell TD dismissed abortion survivors as 'fairytales'. Just as bad, Lisa Chambers TD stated that abortion regret was  'makey-uppy'.
How cruel and callous these people are! History will judge them harshly. Their grandchildren will be mortified to own them. Because abortion is on the way out. Gosnell shone a light on a very ugly scene. Roe v. Wade movie will show the lies necessary to get legislation through. And 'Unplanned' will have a look at Planned Parenthood from the inside.
Public opinion will change, and many Irish people will regret their 'YES'.
Many do already. Because the term 'early delivery' after 24 weeks is gone. It's termination with a dead baby. Also gone, the 3-day waiting period.
The Brave men and one woman who spoke facts and reason - two of them having been expelled from their own party for doing so - will go down in Irish History as heroes, when this sorry tale is told to surviving .
As for the rest - cowards. Would any of them have even a toenail removed without a painkiller?

Balance, please!

TheJournal.ie carried a heartrending story about a mother who discovered she was carrying a baby with an unspecified unfixable birth defect, and who chose to go to England to terminate the pregnancy. Written just three days after she returned home, grief poured out of her heart, carrying her deep trauma, including blame - blame on the Irish people for not allowing her to abort her sick babe in Ireland.

It is a tragic story, and one that deserved to be heard.

As a midwife, I think I may have guessed what the defect might have been, and if I'm right, it can inspire great fear, and up to recently, has been unfixable. But I feel that the mother made the decision in too much haste. She said she 'worked in the medical field'  but also speaks of a defect visible to even her 'untrained eye.' If it is the defect I am thinking of, it can be and has been fixed by Foetal Surgery. Oh God, didn't she have any counselling?

I feel wretchedly for this woman.

But her history was, of course, exploited to the fullest extent by the pro-choice lobby. I want to say to them there are tragic stories on the other side, that are not reported in the media. I have read hundreds of them. (and even witnessed a few during my time working in England) Testimonies of coercion, at being forcibly held down after changing ones mind, of delivering body parts later at home, of blaming and shaming by clinic staff, of harsh, rough doctors, of an abortionist's nasty rants against 'ugly (racial epithet) babies; of babies born alive and left to die cold and alone; of pathology students disturbed by the faces of aborted babies; strangled born-alives; Dr. Kermit Gosnell (ever heard of him? Abortion doctor and serial killer - serving life in the USA for murdering babies who survived). There are stories in plenty of mothers with perforated uteri, cervical incompetence leading to premature births later, of young women left sterile, of despair and suicidal feelings, of survivors who are now grown up and would like their stories heard - there are thousands of testimonies about how abortion harms women and children, and I haven't even started. But try to make them public, and one is met by a wall of silence, or accused of 'emotiveness' 'anti-choice' 'making it up' and even 'hating women'!

To TheJournal.ie, I would say 'Balance, please!' For every heartbreaking story on the prochoice side, let's have a heartbreaking one on the prolife side. I can supply you with sources and what we are to expect in Irish hospitals and clinics if abortion is liberalised here. Incidents as I described, meant to be kept secret, seep out from abortion hospitals and clinics in every country where it is legal and liberal. If that's what you want for Ireland...continue the way you are going. But do keep in mind that abortion is an Industry, and sees our little island as an untapped market.

For some of these sources, see www.clinicquotes.com, 'they said it' run by Sarah Terzo, athiest and member of PLAGAL, a US gay and lesbian prolife group.
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Educating Tweeter

The more I talk to, listen to, dialog and debate with prochoice people, the more I realize that they don’t really know what an abortion is.

They know that the embryo or fetus is removed from the womb. Whether it’s a life or not – they differ on this point.

But the procedure itself? A great deal of ignorance surrounds it, and that’s not surprising, because it’s a Taboo. Abortion clinic websites talk blithely of the uterus being emptied via a thin tube, and products of conception being removed, and the rest is just like your period.

The Feisty Tweeter who I am currently in a dialogue with thinks that Melissa Ohden’s birth records are faked, and she told me that because her birth records say ‘born prematurely’  it proves that there was no abortion. So, she reasons, Melissa's mother is 'an anti-choice nut' as are any parents who back up survivor stories.

They made it all up.

Sigh. It isn’t her fault; that I know, though Feisty Tweeter's imagination ran riot.

All it takes is to explain the medical record to a lay person. My qualification - I trained and practiced as a midwife. I realize it must be difficult for a lay-person and they tend to zone in on Terminology familiar to them, that they can understand, and rely on that. Like the term 'premature birth.'  Everybody knows what that is - a baby born too early.

The Record from August 29 1977

But just a few lines up from the phrase 'premature birth', the Neonatologist wrote that ‘Saline Infusion was done for an abortion but was unsuccessful’.  What I have been trying to explain to Feisty Tweeter is that this Infusion was meant to kill the fetus. Then the fetus would be delivered dead. And that would be an Abortion. But the fetus did not die, and after labor was induced to expel what they thought would be a dead body, she was born alive, and yes, ‘born prematurely’ as the record correctly says, because it was well before 40 weeks.

‘Having an abortion’ means that the baby has to be deliberately killed while still inside the mother. Technically all abortions result in a birth. The vast majority of these ‘births’ are of a small dead human being, usually in pieces, or intact with the signs of the method of killing upon the head or chest – big needle-mark, huge purple swelling.

I will be saying a lot more about the need to educate people. The mainstream media isn’t going to do it for us!

Thanks to Tweeter!

She has a Wisdom not found in many people.

I watched Gianna Jessen whose speech I came by on a prochoice Twitter account (Tweeter doesn't believe in abortion survivors and put it up there with some mocking comments)  Gianna is so feisty and funny impressive! Gosh she is not at all afraid to be herself! Her honesty is beautiful.

I don't agree with her very strong views on Government Health care, I was raised in it and worked in it for over 20 years - there are many misconceptions about it, mostly put out by Republicans, sorry, Republican follwers/readers. But what I am saying is true.

I suspect in fact she would have done better in Foster Care in Ireland in the 80's.. I worked as a public health nurse (Government run) and as a baby at risk, I would've visited her home very often from the time she would have come home from the hospital, to check on her welfare and development. She would not have languished in a bad home for 17 months if I had had anything to do with her. All of my colleagues would have done the same, we were all committed, and we cared.

We visited every child born, regularly, for 5 years. We were not there to 'interfere' but to be a support person and a resource for the mother.  Gianna would have been nearly top on my list along with other children considered at risk.  It is a good system - or was before the Downturn, I don't know what it is like now 20 years later.

Born Alives and Botched Abortions never happen?

I saw this question about botched abortions and babies born alive in the comments section of a newspaper recently. The questioner is replying to a comment.

The questioner doubted the existence of babies born alive and wanted 'proof' of same. 

I can answer that:

Check out this website www.the abortionsurvivors.com

Melissa Ohden with her daughter

In fact the person who runs the group was in Dublin recently at a prolife rally. Her name is Melissa Ohden. She was thrown in the medical trash but a nurse heard her cry and rescued her. Her Neonatal Records prove her story, and there's Gianna, who was scalded by a saline abortion and born alive. Her life was saved because the doctor had left the clinic and the nurses helped her. She still suffers from her injuries. Again, medical records proves her story.

There are also survivors of early abortions.
There's Claire - her twin was suctioned out but the doctor forgot to check for another baby; her mother (to whom she is close now) backs up her history. Josiah Pressley runs 'Abolish Abortion' website; he was injured most likely by the curette, the instrument they use to scrape the body out. 

Ms. Ohden knows about 200 survivors but many, for fear of backlash and hostile mail, do not want to be public. There are the babies, and there are many more growing up now who will want to be heard in the future. They are the brave survivors the mainstream media don't want to know. Most born-alives die unattended, or are killed (Dr.Kermit Gosnell in prison for murder for this - heard of him?. probably not as the Irish media are very careful not to report abortion atrocities) Just the other day I heard of a baby left to die over night in a room by herself; the nurse attending the abortion committed suicide two days later. Abortion is chock-full of victims, many of them  women, like the girl I know of who changed her mind - well she was forcibly held down. Check out this www.clinicquotes.com run by Sarah Terzo, a member of PLAG - a gay prolife group. Sarah collects quotes from doctors, nurses, women and it's full of victims - 

Ireland's Minister for Children Kathryn Zappone has called for more liberal abortion laws. Yes, this is the Minister for Children!   Read the article:  http://bit.ly/2b64IKr

I wrote a comment on the website, but I can't find the comments section today, however, so my comment never appeared. It had a 'pending' status after I wrote it early this morning. Is it possible they keep them for only 2 days? The comments were negative in the main, they don't have a Bias, do they? Happily I have gotten into the habit of writing longish comments in Word and copying and pasting to the website, a, because it is easier to write and edit them that way and b. so that I have a record of what I wrote. Here it is:

The Minister for Children should see the documentary ‘HUSH’ by Canadian Punam Kumar Gill, a Prochoice journalist who was curious as to how the myth about abortion harming women came about. She was curious also as to why premature births are on the rise. What she found was that there is a direct link between surgical abortion and subsequent premature birth.  This was a surprise to her, but not to many who know that this is borne out by several independent studies. The Minister for Children should want to prevent premature births, yes or no? Is Ms. Zappone even aware of this link? It is there and it seems totally wrong for her to call for more abortion instead of less.

Unfortunately, Miss Gill also found a great resistance to tackle this elephant in the room, because of – of course - political correctness! HUSH is so titled for a reason. Gill was also curious as to why 5 states in the USA required a women considering abortion to be informed of the link between abortion and breast cancer. This was a crazy anti-choice religious zealot idea! There is no link, right? Wrong. The science shows otherwise. HUSHed again. Political Correctness is now the Enemy of Women, and the film is at hushfilm.com. Ms Zappone, please watch! You will never call for more liberal abortion again, because even if you think a human unborn is not a child (!) and therefore not your responsibility, babies born too early clearly are.

Pro-Information

hushfilm.com has speakers who are pro-choice, others who are pro-life, and others who are pro-information. This means pro-Truth. Truthful Information to be given to a woman considering abortion.
http://bit.ly/2ask7VL
Radical Pro-choicers block every attempt to give women information. Planned Parenthood's website still stays that 'abortion is a safe and legal way to end a pregnancy.'
They have information about the link between abortion and breast cancer which is sadly outdated according to the nformation in Gill's documentary. The truth is HUSHed.
I would like to see Planned Parenthood's response to the documentary 'HUSH' by Punam Kumar Gill.
We are waiting.